The best seats in Boeing 767 300 Pegasus. Airplane park. In this case these are places

Boeing 767-300 – airplane long distance, developed in the early 1980s, successor to the Boeing 767-200 and basis for the 767-400. In total, it accommodates 278 economy class seats and 12 business class seats, the distance between seats is 57 centimeters in all economy class and 105 cm in business class.

The Boeing 767 is one of the highest quality and safest airliners in the world. Research international companies show that the arrangement of seats in the Boeing 767 400 cabin, the cabin layout, and the best seats most accurately meet the needs and expectations of passengers. Most seats are located either by the aisle or by the window. And only one line, in the center of the cabin, has no access to either the porthole or the aisle.

Now let's talk directly about the best places in the salon. The photo shows a diagram of the Boeing 767 Icarus cabin, which we will use to choose the most comfortable seats.

Boeing 767 300 interior diagram Pegasus Fly

So, we have 3 classes in total:

• business class;
• premium economy class;
• tourist economy class.

Which share 6 lines (A – G) and 42 rows (1-42)

This is the most expensive flight option, but it is rightfully called the most comfortable. Although even here you can choose the best of the best. And this honorary title goes to the seats in the first row on lines G and F, since in addition to all the benefits of business class, they also have increased space for your legs and are located away from the technical rooms, which means no one will walk over your head.

Any seat in business class will be more comfortable than a seat in economy class, regardless of the row you get.

Business class photo

Premium Economy Class

In other words, places of increased comfort. It differs from business class mainly in the density of seats and, of course, in service. The best places Traditionally, the seats in the 10th (front) row are considered. Despite the fact that they are closest to the passage to another part of the plane, they have the advantage of space - it is much larger than similar seats. There are no technical premises near these places (toilet, kitchen), which means the flow of people passing by is less.

Tourist economy class

This class has many features that set it apart from the other two. Here is the highest density of seats and the most uncomplicated service, the most low price for tickets plus the most uncomfortable flight.

It is very difficult to choose the best seats here, but it is easy to identify those that are clearly not worth buying - last row tickets. Immediately behind these places there are a lot of technical rooms(several toilets, luggage department), which means there will always be someone walking above your head. Of the advantages, only the shortest distance to the emergency exit of the entire tourist economy class. But we sincerely hope that you will never need such an advantage.

• Seats located near the porthole have the advantage that if you are bored, you can look out the porthole. As a rule, it offers breathtaking views, but this depends on the weather and flight time;
• chairs that are closer to the aisle win because if you need to move away, you don’t have to wake up your neighbor and ask to let you through. This means they are free to move. True, then you will be asked to let your neighbor through, and they will also constantly walk along the aisle, which may disturb you;
• in any case, try not to take seats near the technical rooms - passengers passing by will constantly disturb you;
• If during the flight there is no need to often get up from the seat and get out, then you can safely take a seat by the window. If you are flying with a child or have other reasons that will force you to leave your seat more than once, it is more profitable to take aisle seats.

Let's sum it up

The cabin layout of the Boeing 767 300 Pegasus Fly is designed in such a way that the best seats are in the front. Without a doubt, the most comfortable seats are business class, which in any case will be more convenient and comfortable than any other seats. Try not to take seats near technical areas such as the kitchen, toilet, luggage compartment, there will be passengers constantly walking around and disturbing you. When choosing a seat, consider the factor that you will have to get up, think about how often and whether it is better for you to choose a seat by the window or by the aisle.

Formed in 2014 on the basis of the Katekavia airline. International flights have been carried out since February 2016.

Azur Air aircraft fleet

Today the carrier's fleet includes 21 aircraft, including:

• Boeing 737-800 – 5 sides;
• Boeing 767-300 – 8 sides;
• Boeing 757-200 – 8 sides.

On average, the airline's aircraft are about 20 years old. The oldest is a Boeing 767-300 (aircraft number VP-BUV), it is already more than 26 years old, and the newest is an aircraft manufactured by Boeing 757 200 (aircraft number VQ-BEY), it is 15 years old.

Boeing 737-800 aircraft

History of creation

Since the 1960s The flagship of the American aircraft industry, Boeing began to develop and introduce into production small aircraft with a narrow fuselage for short-haul air travel. The most successful model was the Boeing 737, the production of which started in 1967 and has not stopped to this day. A total of 9 modifications of this model were developed. Today, Boeing's only competitor for aircraft of this class is the Airbus A320. Initially, the 737 model project used technological solutions that were used in the design of previous models - 707 and 727, but after a series of unsuccessful tests, the design of the aircraft was created anew. Over the entire history of the Boeing 737, over 7 thousand aircraft have been produced and sold.

Since the release of the first modification in 1967, a total of 9 variants have been created, the history of their creation can be divided into 3 periods:

1. Original series: modifications 100 and 200;
2. Classic series: modifications 300, 400, 500;
3. Next-Generation series: modifications 500, 600, 700, 800, 900.

The creation of modifications of the Next-Generation generation started in the mid-1990s, during the work the 737 model was improved as much as possible, this especially affected the Boeing 737-800 and Boeing 737-900 models. The main innovation was the installation of a Head-Up Display (HUD), used primarily on military aircraft. It is a transparent screen installed on the windshield, on which a projection of all the main parameters of the on-board computer is displayed:

• height;
• speed;
• coordinates of the aircraft's location in at the moment etc.

At the time of takeoff or landing, a runway diagram is displayed on the screen; this option allows the aircraft to take off and land even with zero visibility in bad weather conditions.

Model 737-800 Description

This modification is designed to replace the outdated 737-400 from the previous generation. Work on the creation of the airliner began in 1994, tests were carried out in 1997, and in 1998 the first aircraft were delivered to the customer. The airliner's ICAO code is B738.

When developing the model, the following changes were made:

• the fuselage was extended by 3 m;
• the aircraft was equipped with CFM International CFM56-7B24s engines;
• EFIS digital electronic equipment from Honeywell;
• Head-Up Display (HUD) system.

Main technical parameters

The main modification parameters include:

• length – 39.47 m;
• height – 12.55 m;
• wingspan - 34.32 m;
• cruising speed – 823 km/h;
• maximum speed – 920 km/h;
• maximum flight altitude – 12500 m;
• flight range – 5370 km.

Passenger cabin

When developing the interior layout, 2 options were proposed:

• cabin divided into 1st and 2nd classes with a capacity of 162 seats (12 of them are allocated for business class);
• economy class cabin with a capacity of 189 seats.

The Azur Air airline has in its fleet aircraft with an economy class cabin layout. The interior layout is shown in the picture.

In the passenger cabin of the Boeing 737-800 economy class, the seats are arranged in two blocks of three seats in each row. There are a total of 32 rows of seats in the cabin, the distance between rows is approximately 0.8 m. The most comfortable are considered to be seats with increased legroom, so called placesAzur Space:

• 1st row: seats A, B, C;
• 2nd row: seats D, E, F;
• 15th row: all seats;
• Row 16: all seats.

Important! The seats in rows No. 15 and 14 cannot be considered comfortable, because... the backs of their chairs do not recline by 45 degrees, as usual, but at a smaller angle or do not recline at all, because There are emergency exits on the sides of the cabin; according to safety rules, they must always be free.

Passenger seats A, B, and C in the first row are located next to the toilet room in the bow of the cabin, which can also cause discomfort.

The worst seats on the plane are considered to be all the seats in the 32nd row, the very last, they are located directly next to the toilet rooms in the rear of the cabin. Their seats may also have a slight recline angle.

The most comfortable seats are in row No. 16, with the exception of seats A and F, which are slightly turned to the sides, which can be considered a certain inconvenience.

For passengers with children the best option there will be placement in seats A, B and C in the 1st row and D, E, F in the 2nd row, because there is free space to place a child seat or stroller.

Description of the Boeing 767-300 model

The Boeing 767 model with modifications 200, 300 and 400 is considered the most commercially successful project of medium- and long-haul wide-body airliners of the Boeing family. Development of the Boeing 767-300 modification began in the late 1970s, and its creation was announced in 1982. The first aircraft were produced already in 1986, and their production continues to the present day. Airlines around the world prefer to use the Boeing 767-300 for long-distance flights. ICAO model code is B763.

Initially, the aircraft were equipped with Pratt & Whitney JT9D-7R4 and General Electric CF6-80As engines, but then they were replaced by RB-211-524Gs engines from RollsRoyce.

Specifications

Main technical characteristics are:

• length – 54.94 m;
• height – 15.85 m;
• wingspan - 47.57 m;
• cruising speed – 870 km/h;
• maximum flight altitude – 13200 m;
• flight range – 11070 km.

Passenger compartment layout

There are the following cabin layout options for the Boeing 767-300:

• cabin divided into 1st and 2nd classes with a capacity of 181 seats (30 of them are allocated for business class);
• economy class cabin with a capacity of 336 seats.

The Azur Air airline has 336 aircraft in its fleet with an economy class cabin layout. The diagram of the aircraft is shown in the picture.

There are 3 blocks of seats on the starboard and left sides (2 seats per row). Central part also divided into 3 blocks of seats with 4 chairs in a row. The most comfortable are considered Azur places Space, where the space between the rows is increased. These are the places:

• 1st row: seats A – H;
• 14th row: seats C, D, E;
• 16th row: places A, B and G, H;
• 32 row: seats C, D, E and F;
• 33rd row: places A, B and G, H.

Not counted comfortable places located in close proximity to the toilet rooms are:

• 14th row: seats C and E;
• 15th row: seats C, D, E;
• 16th row: places A – H;
• 44th and 45th rows: places A, B, C and F, G, H;
• Row 46: seats C, D, E.

Important! Seats in some rows cannot be considered comfortable, because... the backs of their chairs do not recline by 45 degrees, as usual, but at a smaller angle or do not recline at all, because There are emergency exits on the sides of the cabin, which must always be free.

In this case these are the places:

• 11th row: places A, B and G, H;
• 12th row: seats C, D, E and F;
• Row 30: seats C, D, E and F;
• 31st row: seats A, B and G, H.

For passengers with children, it is best to take Azur Space seats, which are not located near emergency exits, as there is space for a baby stroller.

Description of the Boeing 757-200 model

The Boeing 757 family line was developed in the 1970s. as an economical analogue of the Boeing 727. They differ from the Boeing 767 models (developed at the same time) only in their flight range and fuselage width. Modifications of the 757 Boeing consist of:

• Boeing 757-200;
• Boeing 757-300.

Airliners are equipped with engines from RollsRoyce or Pratt and Whitney. Aircraft of this modification were produced from 1982 to 2004. The Boeing 757-200 has an ICAO code - B752.

Specifications

Technical characteristics of the Boeing 757 200:

• length – 47.32 m;
• height – 13.56 m;
• wingspan – 38.05 m;
• cruising speed – 850 km/h;
• maximum speed – 914 km/h;
• maximum flight altitude – 12800 m;
• flight range – 7275 km.

Passenger compartment layout

The interior layout is possible in 2 options:

• 1, 2 class of service – capacity up to 200 people;
• Economy class – capacity up to 238 people.

Azur Air operates modified economy class aircraft for 238 passengers. The layout of the Boeing 757 200 aircraft and the location of seats in the cabin is shown in the picture below.

Passenger seats are located on the right and left sides, 3 seats in a row. The entire cabin is divided into 3 blocks of seats on each side. Azur Space places are considered the most convenient:

• 1st row: seats A – F;
• 11th row: seats B – E;
• 12th row: places A and F;
• Row 31: seats A – F.

The most unfortunate seats can be considered in the 10th row, because... they are located at emergency exit level and their backrests do not recline at a 45-degree angle or at all. Also inconvenient are the places located at the rear of the cabin in close proximity to the toilet rooms, these are:

• 1st row: seats C and D;
• 31st row: B, C, D, E.

For parents with children, places with increased space to accommodate a stroller are most suitable:

• 1st row: seats D, E, F;
• Row 40: seats A – F.

Important! Azur Air has a compact seat arrangement on its planes that meets the minimum standard requirements. This is done with a purpose maximum capacity airliners and lower prices for air tickets, because the company services charter flights.

On board service

Azur Air is a low-cost airline, so the range of services on board is minimal. During the flight, passengers are provided with:

• hot meals;
• drinks;
• blankets (on request).

Passengers who have used the airline's services especially note the friendliness and high level of service of the staff on board, which partly compensates for possible inconveniences during the flight.

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Operation of the Boeing 767-300 began in 1986. This wide-body, long-range aircraft immediately became popular. It was developed as an extended version of the Boeing 767-200. The airliner was created for long and short distance flights.

When designing the aircraft, the designers provided for an improved fuel supply to the engines. At the same time, the efficiency of aircraft control was increased. Engine noise has been significantly reduced. Composite materials are used in the design.

The cabin provides a wider space between the seats. This allowed us to significantly increase the level of comfort. The width of the cabin is one and a half meters greater than that of the Boeing 747. With a standard cabin, the number of passengers is 224 people. But there is also an option used for charter flights. It provides for the transportation of 325 passengers.

Large Russian airlines use this spacious aircraft on various routes where they need to transport a large number of passengers. There are such Boeings in the companies “Russia”, “Sibir”, “Utair” and a number of others.

The best and worst seats in the cabin

The vast majority of these airliners have a dual-class cabin layout. At the same time, there are only 30 seats in business class, and 185 seats in economy class.

Business class is located at the front of the aircraft. Here, the best seats are in the first row, A and B. In addition to the comfort that is provided in this class, they provide ample legroom for passengers. In addition, these places are located far from premises performing a technical function.

Other front row seats have some downsides when compared to other seats in this class. At the same time, they stand out in a better way when compared to any economy class seats.

The worst seats in business class are those in the fifth row. The reason is that there is a toilet nearby.

The seats located in economy class do not provide passengers with an increased level of comfort. But there are better ones here too worst places. Thus, passengers in the 11th row are in somewhat uncomfortable conditions. The fact is that there is a toilet nearby. This means that there are almost always other passengers standing in line or just passing by. The sound of doors being closed is regularly heard.

Another disadvantage for passengers in this row is that there is a blank partition in front of them. Because of it, it is impossible to stretch your legs, which passengers in other rows can do. There is only one plus in the 11th row - there are no seats in front. This means that the seat back reclined by the front passenger will not interfere.

Row 25, located near the emergency exit, has seats that are inconvenient. The seat backs here either do not recline at all, or recline only a small amount.

The seats in the 27th row have the same benefits as the seats in the 11th row. The disadvantages are the same here.

Seats in the 38th row are considered bad. This is the last row. It is located at the tail of the plane. The chairs located in it often have limitations in the angle at which their backs recline. In addition, technical rooms are located nearby.

In all rows, seats located in certain places have both advantages and disadvantages. Thus, passengers sitting at the windows can admire the pictures opening before them. Of course, if the flight takes place at night, then this advantage disappears. It’s also convenient that you don’t have to get up to let a passenger who needs to get off. However, getting up from this chair by yourself is a little uncomfortable.

Aisle seats allow passengers to stand up whenever they need to. At the same time, you don’t have to ask anyone to let you through. However, getting up yourself to let someone through is still not very convenient. In addition, other passengers and flight attendants pass along the aisle, which somewhat disturbs such passengers.

In Russian UTair airlines The Boeing 767-300 has an economy class cabin layout only. The seats in the rows are arranged according to the pattern 2 - 4 - 2. That is, 2 seats at the sides and 4 in the central part. This aircraft carries 336 passengers.

As always, seats in the 1st row are considered the best. The reasons are the same as with the usual seating arrangement. The disadvantage here is also common - the kitchen and toilet are located nearby.

The seats in the 2nd row, bordering the aisle, are somewhat uncomfortable. Other passengers or flight attendants appear in the aisles and may touch those seated.

The partition behind the backs of the seats in the 11th row does not make it possible to recline the backs to a greater extent. The second minus is that there are toilets nearby. The last minus also applies to the 12th row.

The seats in the 14th row can be considered comfortable. There's no row 13 in front of them, so there's plenty of legroom. However, the chairs are located directly in front of the entrance to the toilet.

The next 15th row has the same drawback as the 14th. In addition, there is no additional legroom here. So this series falls into the category of the worst.

Rows 16 and 17 are also not comfortable. The reason is that it is very close to the toilet. There's also a lot of noise here.

Passengers in row 31 experience inconvenience. The backs of their seats recline a very small amount. The reason is that there is an emergency exit behind. Another minus is that it is impossible to look out the windows.

Best places in rows 32 and 33. There is an emergency exit in front of them. There is enough legroom. Disadvantages - seats located at the sides of the aircraft may not have armrests. Another disadvantage is that tickets for these seats are not sold to pregnant women, the disabled, the elderly, or passengers with children.

In row 44, the seats bordering the aisles have standard disadvantages. There may be queues for the toilets here. Passengers and flight attendants moving along the aisles are just a bit of a nuisance.

Almost an analogue of the 15th row is 46. There are only disadvantages here. It is located opposite the entrance to the toilets.

Advantages of the airliner

The Boeing 767-300 gained the greatest popularity on long-distance routes. Its economy played a significant role in this. Its fuel costs turned out to be 20 and even 30 percent less than its predecessors. A wide-body aircraft can carry from 218 people (business class and economy class) to 350 in one economy class per flight. Moreover, its crew consists of only 2 people.

The plane, at a cruising speed of 851 kilometers per hour, can fly 7,900 kilometers. Its version 767-300 ER is capable of flying 11,065 kilometers. At the same time, all passengers, even with only the economy class cabin option, will be in conditions that are not inferior to those that exist on other airliners used on routes of similar length.

Characteristics

Length: 54.94 m.
Height: 15.85 m.
Wingspan: 47.57 m.
Wing area: 283.3 sq.m.
Fuselage width: 5.03 m.
Cruising speed: 870 km/h.
Maximum speed: 914 km/h.
Flight range: 7890 km.
Number of passengers: 328 hours (economy class).
Crew: 2 hours

Conclusion

After the airline crisis that arose in 2001, demand for the Boeing 767-300 decreased. However, the company began design work to create the next model. This is a Boeing 787. Orders for it have already been placed, all problems with full production have not yet been resolved.

Wide-body aircraft that has found its niche in the market passenger transportation, in the time that has passed since the crisis, continues to hold its positions. Moreover, he is gradually mastering new routes, proving that both he and his future successor have a future.

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AirplaneBoeing767 is popular among Russian airlines due to the spacious cabin and the length of the fuselage, which allows you to accommodate more passengers on charter destinations. Production of the Boeing 767 has not stopped to this day due to the demand for these models. More than 1,061 units have already been produced. We invite you to familiarize yourself with the history of the creation of the aircraft, modifications, technical characteristics of the models and find out how long, safe and reliable it is to fly Boeing 767 aircraft...

Boeing767 (Boeing 767) history

- is a wide-body twin-engine passenger aircraft with a single fin and swept wing, developed by the American concern Boeing on August 14, 1981 at the plant in Everett, Washington State (USA). The Boeing 767 aircraft is designed for medium and long-distance destinations. The first test flight took place on September 26, 1981. United Airlines became the first customer of the Boeing 767-200, ordering 30 units of this model at once.

The Boeing 767 cabin is wider than the 757 cabin, which makes it possible to arrange seats from 4 to 8 in a row. Airplane Boeing 767 provides the opportunity to use 3 types of class in the cabin: first (5 seats in a row), business (six seats in a row) and economy (7 seats in a row). The maximum passenger capacity is 375 people.

Production Boeing 767 continues to this day. In total, more than 1,061 units have been produced to date. Compared to previous models Boeing 767 considered more economical in fuel consumption. The average flight hours per day for manufactured models is 10 hours.

Boeing 767 is very popular among airlines around the world, including Russian airlines.

What is the price of the plane? Boeing767 (Boeing 767)?

Do you want to buy Boeing 767, then this information is for you:

• Boeing 767-200ERcost from 160.2 million US dollars
• Boeing 767-300ER, cost from 182.8 million US dollars
• Boeing 767-300Fcost from 185.4 million US dollars
• Boeing 767-400ERcost from 200.8 million US dollars

Russian airlines that operate Boeing767 (Boeing 767) as of 09/24/2014

Boeing767 (Boeing 767) modifications (models)

Boeing 767 has the following 3 modifications along the fuselage length and differ in symbols for increased range:

• Boeing 767-200– is the first basic model, the plan for which began to be created in 1978. The maximum passenger capacity of the model was 255 seats and was divided into three and two classes of service. A total of 128 Boeing 767-200 units were produced. The main competitors of this model were the Airbus A300 and A310 aircraft. This model is currently not in production.

• Boeing 767-200ER – model with increased flight range. The model was the first in the Boeing 767 family that could carry out transatlantic flights. The first aircraft was produced in 1984 and was delivered to El Al. On April 17, 1988, the Boeing 767-200ER model established new record for jet aircraft, flying a distance of 16,162 km by Air Mauritius. A total of 121 aircraft of this model were produced. The replacement for this model was the Boeing 787-800.

• Boeing 767-300 - the model has a fuselage longer than the previous model by 6.43 meters. Production Boeing 767-300 started in 1983 and the first customer was Japan airline Airlines, receiving the aircraft on September 25, 1986. A total of 104 units of this model were produced. The replacement for this model was the Boeing 787-800.

• Boeing 767-300ER- a model with an increased flight range, the production of which began in 1988 and the main customer was the American airline American Airlines. On this model improved engines were installed, take-off weight and passenger capacity were increased. Boeing 767-300ER the competitor is the Airbus A330-200. In total, more than 500 units of this model were produced. The Boeing 767-300ER is recognized as the most popular model in the Boeing 767 family.

• Boeing 767-300F- is a cargo model. A total of 88 units were produced.

• Boeing 767-400ER- the model has a fuselage that is 6.43 meters longer than the previous model, the wing span has been increased to 4.36 meters, a new Signature Interior has been developed, powerful engines have been installed, new flight equipment has been introduced, and the chassis design has been modernized. The only customers were Delta Air Lines and Continental Airlines, whose fleet was replenished with 37 aircraft of this model. Currently, all aircraft of this model are in operation.

Boeing767 (Boeing 767) diagram and photo of the interior

Boeing767 (Boeing 767) technical specifications

Accidents and disasters Boeing767 (Boeing 767)

Throughout history since the creation of the first Boeing 767 and to the present (09.24.2014) disasters and accidents have occurred

They operate 12 Boeing 767-300ER aircraft. All aircraft have significant differences in their internal layout, number of seats and placement of escape hatches.

By mid-2014, the airline plans to bring them to a single type of cabin configuration. Now only 4 ships have the same seating layout - this is a classic two-class “business/economy” option. The tail numbers of these aircraft are as follows: EI-UNF, EI-UND, EI-UNB, EI-UNA. Just such a scheme will be considered.

1 row belongs to business class. The main advantages are modern finishing, comfortable chairs that recline almost 180 degrees. 17.1" wall-mounted monitors. Exquisite menu. You will feel very comfortable in these places.

WITH 10 rows Economy class starts. In economy class, the row spacing is 83 cm (33 inches).

The advantage of these seats is that no one will lean back on the passengers.

Among the minor drawbacks, it can be noted that some passengers feel uncomfortable looking at the “wall” during a long flight. Also here can be placed mounts for baby bassinets and it is possible for passengers to be close to small children.

IN 16th row (C,D,E) and 17th row the backs of the chairs may be limited in reclining, as they come into contact with the dividing partition or the kitchen wall. Staying upright can be uncomfortable during a long flight.

The row spacing in economy class is 83 cm (33 inches).

18 row belongs to the first row of tourist class. The disadvantages and advantages are the same as those of the 10th row. Additional disadvantages are the close location of the restrooms; other passengers will constantly walk past, creating queues for the toilet.

Also, during the flight, passengers may be disturbed by the sound of the drain tank and unpleasant odors. In fact, these places are the busiest.

IN 23rd row (A,B,G,H) and 24th row (C,D,E,F) the seats are located close to the emergency exit. In accordance with safety regulations, in order not to impede access to emergency doors, the seat backs may be limited in reclining or locked. Passengers will have to sit in one position throughout the flight. Considering that these airliners are used on long-distance routes, this brings inconvenience.

Before 24 nearby (A,H) There is free legroom as there is an emergency exit nearby. At the same time, there may be no armrest on the side of the hatch, and the door may “bulge out” slightly.

But 24 row (B,G) and 25 row (C,D,E,F) can be called the most comfortable places in this cabin configuration. They are located far from restrooms and other technical rooms. Thanks to the location of the emergency exits, there is ample legroom in front of these rows. The best seats on the plane!

The disadvantages of these places are that elderly passengers, parents with small children and transporting animals are prohibited.

In addition, you cannot post hand luggage in the aisle, all things will have to be put in the upper closet.

IN last 45 row tourist class, the seat backs can be fixed. In addition, during the flight you can feel the proximity of the toilet rooms and kitchen. It is advisable to register tickets for these seats as the last thing.

The distance between rows is 74-78 cm (29-31 inches). In which rows the distance is greater/smaller, we do not know.